Post by DontDentMyCar on Jun 3, 2014 10:43:00 GMT -5
Look at this man sitting on the curb. He's not happy and probably won't get behind the wheel for a very long time. That's because he just struck a child with his vehicle, and I'm sure he's thinking 'what could I have done differently to avoid this situation.'
The driver of a BMW sits with his head in his hands after the car struck a pedestrian, reported to be a 14-year-old boy, in Red Hook, Brooklyn. Photo: Anderson/Splash News
It's too late for this man to question his judgement on how he drives, because the child he struck is already dead.
It's not only what he saw when his vehicle impacted this young child who was running for the school bus, but it's also the sound of a vehicle hitting the skin and bones of a child, and the sight of that child flying through the air and over a fence, that will haunt this man forever. And the smell, the time of day which is (was) a beautiful clear blue day with a lite breeze, combined with the sounds of horror and cries of on-lookers, if only he had reconsidered how he drove. The horrible loss for the family and friends will be a constant reminder of what he took.
The time to figure out how to drive, and to understand the massive responsibility drivers have when holding a steering wheel is now - not after.
There are several articles this morning on this collision, some suggest speeding, tinted windows, and this article that implies the child's hood got in his way of seeing the vehicle coming (although if you look both ways a hood has little to do with anything).
So I will post the article from the NY Post, since the above is their image. DDmC
I unfortunately very rarely ever see people look both ways WHILE crossing the road. Some people don't even look at all when crossing at a crosswalk that has crosswalk lights. It is usually before crossing that they look. Also, most drivers I've seen do stop when a school bus is just about stopped to pick up children, but I have seen people not stop til the stop sign on the bus opens.
I'm going to assume the kid had his eyes focused on the school bus and didn't think to even bother looking while he was crossing. He may have looked before crossing, but assumed that the traffic was going to stop for the bus. The driver possibly also figured it was a waste of time stopping for the bus not realizing that a kid was going to cross the street to catch the bus. Whatever the case is, the driver should have stopped for the bus regardless and the kid should have looked whether he had the right of way or not. You can't assume other people will stop for you.
Post by Bad New Jersey Drivers on Jun 3, 2014 18:09:25 GMT -5
I would not be able to live with myself if god forbid I hit someone with my car and killed them. When I first started driving, I didn't care if I doing 35 in 25 mph zone. Now I do 25 mph only in residential neighborhoods, I always look far ahead of me to make sure no one is crossing or wants to cross and I also check to see if there are kids running by or if I see moving objects, I make sure I slow down just in case a kid wants to run in the street because his ball got away from him.
Post by NOVAdashcam on Jun 15, 2014 13:53:11 GMT -5
I've been hit by a car going 20 MPH when I was 20. (Dumb story - the guy driving... a 'friend' of mine hit me on purpose in a game of chicken. I expected him to cut the wheel at last second, but he didn't) I hit the hood, the windshield, and landed on my elbow on the sidewalk. I was able to get up and walk away... my elbow hurt for about four days. There was a large shallow dent on the car's hood, but otherwise no damage.
I can't imagine how fast this a-hole was driving to hit a much smaller person hard enough to cause that much damage to his car.
I know most know that I lost my twin brother when he was killed by a car, this was 27 years ago, in 1987. We were 9 yrs old. I don't think I've told the full story or not, but we were crossing a street with our younger brother (he was 7 at the time) our aunt and our cousin (she was 2, so she doesn't remember) we had the walk signal and my aunt checked before we stepped foot into the crosswalk to make sure it was safe, she saw it was so we started to cross. About halfway we heard a couple short honks of a horn before the lady driving (she went around 2 lanes stopped at the red light) she hit my aunt in her leg and took my brother with her. He was half on the hood and half under the car (basically a backwards C) she hit a couple of other cars before coming to rest across the intersection on the sidewalk with my twin pinned between the car and the building. Somehow and I'm not sure how but I was calm thru the whole thing. Til we got to the hospital. My parents were called at their works to be told that there was an accident involving their 3 kids. My mom got there first and she took me to get a drink and around the corner came the gurney my twin was on. It had his clothes, shoe (the other was knocked off when he was hit) and his blood. I FREAKED out and took me a long time to calm down after that. We were on the evening news that day, I remember I had my grandmothers puppet on my hand. After a while we went down to the hospital (we lived up the street from it) little kids weren't allowed in the ICU but they made an exception for us and I said my goodbyes then, I KNEW he wasn't going to make it, he TOLD me even though he was brain dead. (It's a twin thing) at 230 the next morning the hospital called and said he passed away.
It doesn't matter, but BMW drivers are notorious d-bags in the states (as well as drivers of other luxury marques). I realize you have a BMW, and I like BMWs myself. Nothing to worry about.
I just hate the general use of it, I get it a lot. If I say I drive a BMW immediately I get stereotyped
I understand, and I know you're not a bad driver. Certain cars just draw certain people to them. It doesn't mean everyone that drives one is a bad driver, but enough are that way that they get a reputation based on that. It's just the way things work. The only thing you can do is demonstrate that you're a good driver. Anytime I drive my dad's Cayman I feel like I'm improving the reputation of Porsche drivers. (That's a bit of a joke, but yeah...)
Post by DontDentMyCar on Jun 30, 2014 10:36:30 GMT -5
It's a good point welshdrive and pretty much reflects how people get stereotyped as well. It's something to keep in mind too, that to lump people into categories just because someone else has done something wrong is how biased attitudes are allowed to exist, and that is wrong btw. It's important to focus not on generalizations but on specific individuals and their attitudes and what allows those bad attitudes to develop and how they put other people in danger.
But, it could be a reflection of the vehicles themselves, that the vehicle manufacturers are promoting themselves in a way that draws to them certain individual character and attitude types (not to suggest the vast majority will think that way and only want a reputable, reliable, stylish or other character type of vehicle).
I have no idea if there is any merit to this notion (that certain vehicles draw in certain attitudes) though and would love to see actual stats on which vehicles are involved in the cause of collisions (and if the vehicle was purchased new or is used), and then compare that with how manufacturers promote their vehicle, to see if there is something that stands out that should be addressed. But since we don't have that sort of study it becomes just a free-for-all of opinions. If you look at the thread of 'what are the worst vehicles on the road' (or something like that) you can see a huge variety of opinions on all sorts of vehicles.
I'm also pretty sure that if anyone was handed a BMW for free that everyone would accept it and be excited to own a BMW, common!
Lets also acknowledge that in all of our dash cam videos that the majority of drivers are driving safe, and that's it's only a small percentage of people who act in a reckless manner, so one shouldn't draw any real conclusion between the vehicle type and the individual driving it, even if a study was done (because the percentages of bad drivers per vehicle type would be very low). The hope of a study like mentioned would be to address 'cultural influences' that promote reckless behavior (individual attitudes) as we are looking at in our Cultural Influences board and specifically car commercials that promote speeding and the like.
Let's also acknowledge that in order to initiate studies one has to identify a potential problem somehow, and that means making an assumption based on 'just a feeling' of a trend. If one doesn't ever acknowledge what they perceive might be a trend, or set of behaviors, then no studies would be done to find out what the real truth is (and if there is merit to the feeling) and any potential issues wouldn't get addressed.
Studies must be very well thought out and be done in a scientific manner in order to be able to rely on their results, otherwise they are just bogus leading to misinformed conclusions.
And these 'very generalized news reports on collisions' leave out so many factors that none of us can assume we know. We don't know if the school bus had it's red stop lights on, if it was stopped in a proper area (double parked is never cool in my book), if the child came out of nowhere, if the child started to cross but changed his mind and try to run back, if the driver was driving below or above the speed limit, if the driver was thinking 'i better be careful and look out for kids', if the driver was distracted by someone else who was jaywalking…, if some driver pulled out in front of him, or appeared to be running a stop sign and stole his focus….' I could go on, we just don't know all the real factors that were involved in this tragic collision. My point though is if you're going to drive, you better stay focused and hope every situation is within your control in such a way that allows you to avoid being in this particular situation.
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